Monthly Archives: October 2005

Where Nobody Knows Your Name

Daniel asked me to post my thoughts on his and Dr. Ransom’s views on mega-churches and bribing people to visit them.

Firstly, I love the whole bright, chimp theme going on at his site, that’s the kind of feel I would like to get happening here at some point in the future (I like the current red, but it doesn’t feel like an accurate representation of who I am).

So, to mega-churches…

I have a real problem with mega-churches. There is no way that a church can still be personal when thousands of people attend at once. At the church I currently attend, the 4:00pm Sunday gathering has around 50-80 people each week (this is the smallest of the meetings), so it’s definitely not bursting at the seams (although has, and continues to, grow). The first week my wife and I turned up, someone at the door greeted us – no big difference to most churches – however they actually took the time to find out our names and where we come from and so on.

The next week we came back, the greeter (hi Alan!) remembered our names and details and had a chat with us again. The pastor also came and said hello and learnt our names and so on. Last Sunday both of them said “hi”, even though the pastor was busy talking to someone else he waved when we walked past and we know that he knows who we are, even if we don’t have a close relationship.

Feeling known and wanted is great, people will ring up and ask where we were and if things are OK if we don’t show up for a week or two. It makes us feel loved and we know that the church body will try and help us when we need it (as well as ask us to help other people too).

There is no way a greeter at a multi-thousand member church can know who is new and who isn’t. People manage to slip through the cracks at a small church, so how much more likely is it to happen when the church doesn’t even know you exist?

I realise that most of these huge churches have very extensive small groups, and that is where most of the growing will happen, but that doesn’t include new people who turn up out of the blue.

I think that when a church meeting gets to a certain size (probably below 200), it is best to split that meeting up into smaller groups which can continue to grow. I’ve been to huge Christian gatherings, they are great – thousands of people singing in one voice and praising God together just can’t be beat – but they should be events, not the main spiritual gathering for the body of Christ.

RodeoClown: knows that hymns sung with 4000 people make a glorious noise to the Lord.

note: I think spending hundreds (thousands?) of dollars on making fancy ‘environments’ for Sunday Schools is a bit of a waste. The rooms shouldn’t be barren wastelands, but they can be made fun and exciting without hiring professionals to get involved. One of the best ways to cheer up the rooms (and to help make them more personal for the kids) is to get the kids to do the decorating. Stick up pictures drawn/painted by the kids, help them own the space. Plus it gives them the incentive to come back, and also to show other people what they have done.

Zoos are Great

Quick update on the last post… I accidentally mis-labeled a post from Daniel at Put Me in the Zoo as being from Church Marketing Sucks.

I have both of them subscribed in my RSS reader and got the two mixed up. Sorry Daniel.

Anyway, check out Daniel’s site, and check out Church Marketing Sucks. They are both good sites with some good reads (usually on quite different topics – except for this time). I’ve updated the last post so it reads correctly, and added a bonus link to an article from Church Marketing Sucks that I forgot to add in last time (hence the mistake…).

RodeoClown: once took a photo of a pig at the zoo and put it in a frame in the dining room at his parents’ place and managed to keep it there for about five years before someone finally took it down. He hopes to put it back someday.

Links

I’ve got a list of links I want to comment on, but I haven’t found the time to actually write up a full entry on them all, so here is a list of articles/posts that have piqued my interest.

Car Kill Scores
I would love to have one of these decals for my car.

Pushing the Envelope
I love these dinosaur comics, this one espescially – make sure you read the alternate text on each image.

Clueless
Not the movie. Stupid bureaucracy in action.

Hurry
Seth Godin almost always has interesting stuff to say (hence two links here). Why do people rush to get a plane, when they could just leave home a bit earlier?

Pisseth-ing the Night Away
I have a good friend who is all about the KJV being the only true English version of the Bible. If this was in any of the versions of the Bible I read there would be much laughing and falling about. Even though it is an accurate translation, it is not what we would say in modern (polite) English.
It just goes to show that some translators have, quite literally, been taking the piss. is my favourite comment on the article.

No God = Know Peace??
The Matthias Media Couldn’t Help Noticing blog has a lot of thought-provoking articles. Like this one.

Sexy Statistics and Hypocricsy
And these two.
For the record: I get to tell my kids not to have sex before they get married — without hypocrisy YAY!
Take THAT Dr Kaplan

Hey! We’ve got TV!
update:This is actually a link to Put Me in the Zoo, not Church Marketing Sucks… Sorry Daniel. Read Daniel’s stuff too – it’s great, he’s a kindergarten teacher with some great insights.

Bonus Link
The Smiling Pastor
Church Marketing Sucks (or Stinks for the easily-offended) has a lot of very good articles on marketing in churches. This one really stuck with me. Smiling has lots of benefits, I’m feeling a bit down right now and would love to have more smiling people around me. They are really uplifting.

RodeoClown: loves the phrase: ‘Sexy Statistics’.

Snakes. On a Plane.

You either want to see that, or you don’t!
Samuel L. Jackson

Snakes on a Plane, see Collider and Quarter to Three for more details.

Via Zen of Design. Language warning on all those links

Personally, I can’t wait. I think Samuel Jackson may have actually turned insane, but I think the name is great, lets you know exactly what the movie is about, and is so very, very, very much better than Pacific Air Flight 212, or whatever generic name they were going to give this movie.

I think Mr J knows his marketing better than the studio execs. No one cares about generic flight movie 3006, but read the title: Snakes on a Plane. You know straight away you either want to see that, or you don’t.

RodeoClown: just can’t think of any quote to beat Snakes on a Plane.

Jesus Talks With A Gay Man

Jesus Talks With A Gay Man – (John 4:1-33, 39-42 – more or less…)

1 In late July, the Metro Chicago Synod heard that Jesus was attracting more first-time visitors and baptizing more adults than any other ELCA pastor in the city, 2 although in fact it was not really Jesus who had baptized them, but his irregularly-commisioned staff of unordained lay ministers. 3 Now when Jesus learned of this, he left the seminary community in Hyde Park and went back once more toward the ELCA headquarters on Higgins Road.

4 Now to get there, he had to go through an area just north of downtown called Boystown. 5 So he came to a part of Boystown called Northhalsted, not far from the plot of ground where Emperor Mayor Daley had ordained that the Chicago Cubs should play baseball. 6 Cub’s Stadium was near there, and Jesus, tired as he was from the journey on the Red Line, sat down at a sidewalk café table outside the bar called Hydrate. It was just about lunch-time, and though the rainbow flags were fluttering in the breeze and the music inside the bar was pumping, there weren’t many people around (because it’s often hot and miserable outside, at mid-day in late July, in Chicago).

7 A waiter came to the table, wearing a bright pink “His+His” t-shirt and a “Silence=Death” armband, and raised one eyebrow at the man seated at the table in front of him in the “Come Follow Me” t-shirt. Jesus said to him, “Will you give me a drink?” 8 (All the lay ministers had gone down the street to pick up Subway sandwiches for the rest of the journey.)

9 The gay man said to him, “Hey…you tell me. After all, you appear to be a straight Christian, and I’m a gay man. Let’s face it – we don’t get many religious folks in Boystown, let alone places like this. And I’m not only a gay man, but I’m a Muslim gay man. So where does a guy like you get off asking someone like me for a drink?” (For Christians do not associate with gays, nor with Muslims if they can help it.)

10 Jesus answered him, “If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.”

11 “Hey, mister,” the gay man said, “I’m the waiter here. I don’t see you with an order pad or a serving tray, and it’s tough for customers to even get close to our fountain-drink station, let alone our bar. So how are you going to get anything for me to drink, let alone ‘living water’? Where can you get this living water? 12 Are you somehow greater than the folks who own this place, who let us drink have free water and soda (and snitch the occasional mixed drink) whenever we want?”

13 Jesus answered, “Everyone who drinks your water, or your soda, or your beer will get thirsty again, 14 but whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”

15 The gay man said to him, “Yeah? Mister…you know what, I have no idea who you really are, or even what the heck you’re talking about. But you’re the first Christian man in 20 years that hasn’t spit on me, or called me ‘an abomination’ to my face. Somehow, I think I want some of what you’re offering. Give me some of this water you keep talking about, so I won’t get thirsty and have to keep coming here to get something to drink.”

16 Jesus told the man, “OK – just call your wife and come back here, and we’ll talk.”

17 “Who are you kidding?” the gay man said. “Don’t you know where you are? You’re in Boystown, for cryin’ out loud. I don’t have a wife, or a girlfriend. Heck, right now I don’t even have a boyfriend,” he replied.

18 Jesus said to him, “You’re right when you say you have no boyfriend. The fact is, you’ve had five boyfriends, and the guy you’re living with now isn’t even your boyfriend. He’s just a guy you picked up in the club – some guy who doesn’t even know your real last name.”

19 Whoa, buddy,” the gay man said, “that’s pretty intense! How’d you know that about me?” Jesus was silent. “OK…I get it. Maybe you’re one of those folks who can see right through people – maybe one of those guys with ‘second sight.’ Maybe you’re one of those folks who ‘have the Spirit,’ like those televangelists say. 20 I don’t know anything about that. My family – my people (the ones who are observant, anyway) – think that you have to pray five times a day to Allah to get that kind of power. The rest of the people I know don’t even bother with that spiritual mumbo-jumbo…they just think you have to work out a lot, look good, live fast, die hard and leave a good-looking corpse. And all the Christians I’ve met think that I have to pray their way, and start living life their way, or I’m ‘going to hell.’ Either way, my day-to-day life is so empty, I’m not convinced that I’m not already in hell. What’s a guy supposed to believe?”

21 Jesus said, “Believe me, my friend, a time is coming when you won’t worship God in Mecca, or in the gym, or in the club, or in a church sanctuary. 22 You and your friends worship what you think you know, but do not know. Christians worship what they do know, for salvation is promised in Scripture. 23 Yet a time is coming – and has now come – when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.”

25 The gay man said, “I know that the church folks say that their Savior is coming. Maybe when he finally gets here, he will explain everything to us.”

26 Then Jesus declared, “Then wait no longer. I’m the one they’re waiting for.”

The Irregularly-Commissioned Lay Ministers Rejoin Jesus

27 Just then the lay ministers returned and were more than a little surprised to find Jesus apparently talking with a gay man – one who appeared to be Middle-Eastern in origin, to boot. But no one asked, “What do you want?” or “Why are you talking with him?”

28 Then, leaving his tray and his order pad behind at the table, the gay man went back to the bar, and even next door to the gym and to the other clubs, and said to the people, 29 “You gotta come and see this… come see a guy who told me everything I ever did, and didn’t run away or act disgusted. Could this possibly be ‘the Christ’ all those religious folks keep talking about?” 30 People came out of the gym, and out of the bars and clubs, and made their way toward him.

31 Meanwhile the lay ministers (the ones who considered themselves Jesus’ disciples) kept saying, “Hey, padré, you may walk on water, but come on – even Michael Jordan’s gotta eat something.” 32 But Jesus said to them, “I have a source of energy that you know nothing about.”

33 Then his disciples said to each other, “Did someone slip him some Mrs. Field’s cookies while we weren’t looking?”

….

Many Gays and Lesbians Believe

39 Many of the gays and lesbians who gathered from all around Boystown believed in Jesus because of what the waiter said: “You gotta come and see this… come see a guy who told me everything I ever did, and didn’t run away or act disgusted.” 40 So when the people of that area – gay men, lesbians, bisexuals (even people in civil unions from Vermont and Episcopalians visiting from New Hampshire) came to him, they urged Jesus to stay with them. So rather than continuing the ride out to Higgins Road, the irregularly consecrated lay ministers found some rooms at a nearby bed-&-breakfast, and he stayed in Boystown – amidst the people with whom most Christians would not associate – for two days. 41 And because of what Jesus spoke to the men and women there, many more became believers.

42 The people who heard Jesus said to the gay man who first encountered him, “We no longer believe just because of what you said; now we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this man really is the Savior of the world.”

via Ragamuffin Ramblings (I just re-formatted it).

RodeoClown: thinks that Christians should be more like Jesus.

Liturgy

In liturgical churches, many of the prayers are well-crafted, but to some ears they lack spontaneity. In non-liturgical churches, many of the prayers are so predictable that they are scarcely any more spontaneous than written prayers, and most of them are not nearly as well-crafted.

D.A. Carson, A Call To Spiritual Reformation

via irRegular Expressions

RodeoClown: likes the green prayer book.

Ordered my Christmas Present Today

OK, so I just ordered my Christmas Present:
Firefly Season 1*

I can’t wait to sit down and watch it (again).

RodeoClown: is a leaf on the wind.

*If you click on that link, it will take you to DeVoteDDVD, and if you buy the DVD I will get 55c… I figure I may as well try and recoup some of the losses of buying this present, right? If you want to buy more DVDs from them click the link below too… They’re pretty cheap (and I get a (small) commission).
DeVoteD DVD